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ugh, does anyone else think its a good idea? being able to un-learn spells would be good, i have my emperor i had basically as a newbie, and he's my only emperor, as the typical newbie i went and learned all spells >.< and this screws up my pking by having to shift through all those piles of junk in my spell list, stuff like heal, heal all, tempest, and all sorts of dumb things for an sword user to have.
I want to be able to use my sword user, because they seem to be a very good class in this patch, he pretty much sucks because when i am pking, i have to dig through an endless list of crap to find that debuff\rebuff, and by then people can dbl hit me, and its hard to recover from that
all those spells you learn when you level up, like heal and heal all.....etc mainly make leveling easier, but just slow you in pking, and when are you ever going to need those spells again?
I'm just about to make a new emperor that will take 10 hours of my time i could be using to pk JUST so i can have less of those spells, its a pain in the arse, anyone agree?
[you *do* know that clicking on an element name in the spell selector wheel above the spells list filters all the spells outside of that element, right? There aren't THAT many spells in Evergreen, and it remembers your current favorite of each element.... -s]
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You could always delete them from the spells.txt then you will not have to worry about PKing.
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I still like the idea of being able to click a button and make a custom spell list appear. That would solve alot of these problems.
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I don't think it's that bad an idea. All it could do is *help* with no negative side effects that I see. I imagine another "Temple of Forgetfullness" would do it. It's just a TAKE S** isn't it? I'm not sure, but I like the general Idea.
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Hotkeys, people. Hotkeys let you MAKE a custom spell list. Doesn't ANYONE read the help file?
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actully i dont even use hotkeys and i still manage to get all my spells in.......maybe its quick reflexes or experience O.o
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heh, no offence, but since dan is adding all those useless features anyway, why not? 1 more can't hurt right?
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its also another pain because when you have a slow computor like mine (100mhz x.x), the more spells you get, the slower the spell list loads. i notice after versions the wos client is getting slower and slower, and now its getting to be a pain in the arse that all these new features are slowing the game down
it may not be noticable on some computors but when your on mine....
thus people can kill my emperor with ease because i have so many spells, when i click the spells list, it takes a couple seconds to load, meaning when i go to debuff i'm asking to be doubled
even with singleing out elements it takes its time
whats happening to the wos client? in older versions like A46 and stuff, it was super fast i would click, and things would instantly load, now when i click somthing like show all equipment or whatever, it has like a 2sec loading time, and before it was almost instant, its getting slower over every version o_o
plus dan, i think a cool idea would be allowing you turn off the spell animations over the spell list, because when i go to use a spell, the FPS goes from about 15 to a measly 3-5, and it makes the game sooo slooow and thats why i won't use magic users, because in pk fights that lil spell animation above the spell list makes it slow down
i know i have a slow computor but it would be a nice thing to implement that can't be too hard, because who really needs to see that magic animation floating, and it would help us with SLOW computors alot
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Hotkeys? HOTKEYS? We don't need no stinkin' hotkeys!
Seriously tho, there are five keys that are taken out of 12. that leaves 7. Lessee.. The Buffs/Debuffs ALONE are more than 7. Factore in Restore and Rez and any other elemental skill, and you're WAY over limit.
Wolfhowell ~W~
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All you have to do is not learn all those useless spells. On your sword user, why do you have offensive magic spells? You only need nature debuffs and no other spells there. Spirit you only need like 3 spells and in life it is easy to see which spells are which because they say "Raise XYZ" Personally, i dont use hot keys i just manage to find everything.
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quote:its also another pain because when you have a slow computor like mine (100mhz x.x),
CHRIST! Buy a new computer! Mine's five or six years old and still four times more powerful than that! Don't blame Dan for you having a crappy computer. Thats like trying to play half-life on a 286 and then getting mad at Sierra because it wouldn't work! I mean... DUH!
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heheh.... well i can run programs that seem far beyond WoS in graphics and play, i can run GLQuake at 50fps
anyways.... i know its OLD and crap, but i don't come from the richest family you know, i had to mow lawns to buy this comp, and my parents won't contribute to buy a new computor, so i would have to buy a new one myself off my.... say 200$ a year, if that is not spent on a thing called going out and stuff and clothes. by the time i buy somthing thats like 1000$, the thing i was aiming to buy would be only like 200$ i know i know its my fault, but it wouldn't hurt to ask :P
i was just pointing out how it ran fine before and got slower thru versions, and the code should be optimized more
oh and zim, LMAO my emperor is my n00bie char pretty much, i thought those spells would help me level a bit, and i had the spare PP, i didn't think it would accually hurt to learn those spells. i had a cheatz0r char before, but i purged him lol
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How about the abilty to learn new spells as, you level up, that way it not only requires a magic level, but also a certain level? How about if that spell that is a spell that is uniqe to that race? So, When a sword-user gets to level 50, he has the option (or automaticly learns) a spell, like Double Cut, or Flame Blade? How about that?
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If you can't afford a new computer you can upgrade piecemeal. Its usually cheaper, and keeps you trailing the bleeding edge... which is where its usually safest, IMO.
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Elazul I think thats bad, I don't use hotkeys for my debuffs (to many!) and I have no problem getting them in time. Its REAL easy, Just press SPI on the element side, and press the debuff, same the with the others (NAT, LIFE). You get fast after a while. "All Spells" is INSANE!
And all you hotkey haters, I hope you atleast have F5 set to your main attack and F6 Restore, F8 Item, or else your a *true newb*.
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well what i use is just pure mouse in pk fights, when i use debuffs i click nature\spirit and choose the debuff in there, i have no problems because the only other spell than debuffs i have in there is nova (my newb char) and in spirit i have confuse and stupify, theres no problem there, i can fetch them nice and fast and have no problem but the bad one is when i click life, i have a ton of junk spells like heal, heal all, restore, and rez that i would never use in pk fights, and they slow down my rebuffing because i have to look thru the spells to get out that rebuff, and sometimes (rarely) people get doubles because i had to do a lil digging to find Raise Stamina or somthin, thus my pk match is more leaned on the "me dying side" heh. this usually depends on the class you are fighting, because this only happens with speedy emperors with el diablo. Xterm, i have that same sort of dueling strategy, i have my spells preset like that, and i have restore on all spells. i just want to get rid of those spells you learn when you level, like the low level healing spells and stuff. I just want the perfect PKing char, my muse was but he's useless now, so back to my heavyweight, because my emperor is USELESS (dumb spells like stop leak, antidote, ARGH!)
Oh, and i have no problems with the performance of the client overall, i just thought i'd point out how the client got a lil slower... but its no problem really
The only problem i have really is that spell animation that slows things down and makes lag, if i use a diety to cast spells in a hit4hit, its kind of lame when people are doubling you and you have a 200ms ping to the server, and are clicking over and over really fast, and with normal hand weapons i don't have this problem at all, its just that the lil animation that floats around in the spell box lowers my frames per sec from 25fps down to 9fps, its just a lil annoyance that it would be neat to put an option to disable this, because it would be a big performance increase with this being off for people with slower computors (90mhz~200mhz) or people who think that spell thingy is just plain annoying, and distractive. i know that this isn't much of a bad idea, since there has been no really great changes in the client (like how the letters wobble and crap on the menu screen o_O) This is just one of those more ideal lil updates
And i am saving up for a new computor, its just gonna take me some time, also with this old pile of junk, upgrading it would cost more money than buying a new one, because with the parts this computor is running on, i can't even keep any of it if it was going to be in a faster computor, because its all old and it would leave my computor dragged down, its like i would be building a whole new computor, so right now i will just have to grit my teeth and take it, lol
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We went through this with the attack animations. They cause a little tiny bit of lag just because they take time. There used to be a way to disable them. Now there isn't, to make the playing field equal.. and show off Dan's 'l33t programmin' skilz.
I think it may be the same thing with the spell animations.
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I think this is a good idea, when you are leveling a Deity you usaully get the lower spells to start off with and then later get the better spells.
This could be made into a simple right click delete option.
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I was just thinking about that too. When i have to rebuff i need to scroll up to raise stamina and down to raise wisdom. Sometimes the enemy gets doubles on me. So, I think it should be a feature..just get your pp back. Anyway, something with the spells are screwed, cause my level 1 spells are no longer up top.
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lol i wasn't talking about the spell animation when you attack, ya know when you click spells, and it has the lil spell animation blobing around in that box where it tells the spell's affect and stuff? That animation.
Yeah ivanhoe, i have that same problem with my emperor, its a pain in the arse.
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My old emperor has all spells and is able to find everything easily, just start lokking ass soon as you see the spell in the air and keep it so you can see all spells and it is easy. (When i say all spells i mean so u can see all your buff spells on the life menu)
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Hotkey rules, and you can fit all spells you'll need in a pk fight. raise dex/stam/wiz or str screech,grease,unravel,stupefy
soo, ehhhh, bah, lets just say it's a salutation from military, oh yeah for anyone who cares I made dragoon in storm, meaning im training to serve 1 year in kfor next year
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hehe, well i guess i'll just use my heavyweight
cause i'm like someone who can't rub his head and pat his tummy at the same time, seriously, i play Quake with just the keyboard, no mouse! and people think that i'll never win without the mouse, WELL I'LL SHOW THEM!!! heheh
anyways, i'll just have to deal with it until dan puts in some option for this
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I see no problem with hot keys, i think ide suck at this game even more than i do now if there were none at all! although it would be nice to have more hotkeys
btw people, complaining really gets you far in life
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on my deity i have a great many spells (and i plan on learning them all). When i incarnate into a world i go through the element wheel- highlighting my most used spells, tempest-stupify-screech-etc... then whenever i need a spell quick i just hit the element and bam...
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personally i think this is a good idea, anyone who's bashing it obviously hasnt taken the time to consider it.. i'm constanly being annoyed by all those spells i just shuldetn have learned in the first place and have found myself remaking my lvl 100s for the sole purpose of thinning out my spell selection, and those who point to your precious hotkeys fail to point out the fact that we only have 8 possible hotkeys, while the spells most players use on any regular basis rage more around 10-12.. hence my >beep<ing about spell deletion from as far back as a30...
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